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     Dialogues About the Course  | 
   
  
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			| Dr. Morton In response to MB's student response I would like 
			to say 
			the following: I agree that not every group presentation 
			offers an equal learning experience. However, the learning, 
			for me, came in preparing our group presentation. I needed 
			to have a thorough understanding of the material in order 
			to participate effectively within my group. I felt more 
			responsible to my group than I may have to a singular 
			project. As I interacted within the group, I was applying 
			that knowledge. In its application came the retention. I 
			have used the vocabulary and ideas from our group 
			presentation more often in other educational studies than 
			any other material I learned through other teaching 
			methods.  
			Getting along with group members is an interesting point. 
			If teachers were consistently practicing the theories of 
			co-operative and collaborative learning, I suspect there 
			would be less friction in group situations. Should basic 
			human understanding and empathy still be a major problem at 
			this level of education? I'm eager to use the research 
			about teaching methods and its co-relation to learning and 
			retention. I'm surprised at how little of it I actually see 
			in the classrooms.  
			As for watching the other group presentations: Most of 
			them have been presented in an interesting and humorous way 
			which makes it easy to find the issues in the presentation. 
			I think the presentations are a refreshing change from 
			lecturing. 
			 
			Just a few thoughts 
			 
			LH 
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			| LH: A very thoughtful, insightful, and mature response. You 
			come across as a "reflective practitioner." 
			LM  | 
		 
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    Dear Dr. Morton, 
     
    
    I did notice the difference between the group exam (many brains) and the 
    individual exam (lonely brain). I have wondered about the difference often, 
    and the class notes on Chapter 8 finally confirmed my lonely thoughts. I 
    understand it and it makes sense for tests. 
    
    
    
    However, not giving clear, detailed rubrics for assignments and brochures 
    does not enhance creativity. It takes me back to the days when I was in 
    school, prior to rubrics. The teacher would give assignments, we would do 
    them and upon return finally figure out what the teacher actually wanted. 
    Rubrics give the student a base for creativity. A student fulfills the basic 
    requirements of the level 3 and then tries to springboard into level 4 with 
    creativity. The student is still assured of a level 3 = security, motivated 
    to achieve level 4 with creativity. It is not terribly motivating to get an 
    assignment returned only to find out, the teacher's mindset of requirements 
    were completely different from the student's. 
    
    
    
    Also, DiBono's thinking hats is amazing and needs to be introduced the 
    first week of the course not glazed over in January. Many groups are 
    floundering and self distructing at this point in the course. Hat awareness 
    could have helped me just deal with the different personalities of my group.
     
    
    
    
    My last and final issue is this. The group presentations are dandy and 
    humourous on occasion but the amount of time needs to be balanced. There 
    needs to be an equal amount of you talking. The lecture material you could 
    be providing (not everybody has time to look for class notes on the 
    internet) would enhance the textbook stuff because it is more interesting. 
    Since Christmans, all my learning in this course has been by writing notes 
    out of a very concept dense, stiff worded, tough to slog through, 30 pages 
    per chapter textbook. 
    
    
    
    These are just my thoughts. You should probably just delete them. 
    
    
    
    Thank you 
    
    MB  | 
   
  
    | Dear MB 
    I appreciate your thoughts and comments.  
    1. You may be right about rubrics and creativity, but you don't provide 
	an argument. I think it is a good research question that someone should 
	explore, though. Perhaps a Master's thesis? However, my rationale is based 
	on observations over the years using different formats. In a course one year 
	I allowed the students to design their own evaluation protocol and criteria. 
	Talk about vague! The students did far more and at a higher quality than I 
	would have requested or required. They hated it though. I suspect the reason 
	was because it forced them to invest more time in the evaluation tasks. The 
	same thing occurs when I give very detailed descriptions of what I would be 
	looking for. Students invest a great deal of time and effort in trying to 
	fulfill every single detail identified, and that can be frustrating and counterproductive. 
    And they hate it. When I give some details and some models (which are sort 
    of like rubrics) I get fewer complaints, and very creative products from 
    some individuals. 
    Another problem with rubrics is it could force us to adopt a lower 
    grading system. The university expects students to be working in the average 
    range for the most part (i.e., C or B). If 90% of students complete a 
    project at level 4 that would translate into a C or B grade, where a 
    norm-referenced grading system is used. A ranking format rather than a 
    rubric format allows for more students with higher grades.  
    2. Re DeBono's hats, three things. First, if you, or others, had not had 
    the opportunity to struggle with dysfunctional groups you might not have a 
    sense of appreciation for functional strategies (whether it be DeBono or 
    Johnson and Johnson, or whatever). Second, if you knew how many times I have 
    heard this or that, or the other should be in the first couple of weeks 
    (e.g., development, multiculturalism, motivation, group dynamics, 
    cooperative learning, assessment, learning problems, behaviour management, 
    writing objectives, dealing with parents, and so on) you would have the 
    impression that everything should be in the first two weeks. 
    3. Re group presentations. Every year I rethink this process. Every year 
    less class time is allocated to these. Now it is typically 30 to 40 minutes. 
    I appreciate your problem sitting through some of them but here's my 
    concern. (1) The students who learn the most from them are the students who 
    prepare them (with respect to both form and content). This goes back to my 
    point in the first class: If you want to maximize your students' learning 
    get them to teach. Teaching takes practice. The music teacher and the parent 
    sits through a lot of bad violin sounds and piano sounds before the student 
    reaches a pleasant level. I think we as teachers need to acquire a level of 
    patience that will serve our students well, wouldn't you agree. (2) There 
    are some presentations that don't get shown each year and I'm always a 
    little distraught when these students approach me later and show their 
    obvious disappointment (even hurt) that theirs wasn't shown. (3) Remember 
    you sit through one class of these each week. I sit through five or six 
    classes. If anyone would have an incentive to change the format it would be 
    me, wouldn't you think? (4) Do you not find that you learn from watching the 
    mistakes that people make as well as from their successes? (5) Is learning 
    painful? 
    4. Re deleting your thoughts. No way! I loved them. In fact I would like 
    to post them and my response if I had your permission. I could post them 
    under your name, or your initials, or a pseudonym, or anonymously. ??? 
    Have a good week! 
    Larry Morton  | 
   
  
    | Certainly, you 
    have my permission to post this exchange of thoughts, maybe using only my 
    initials. Thank you for responding. 
     
    
    Please understand, I was not complaining about your course. It was 
    midnight on a Saturday and the world seemed crystal clear at that moment.
     
    
    
    
    The entire rubrics/evaluation system in the school system needs 
    rethinking. My background is agricultural research, which involved a 
    Master's in plant pathology and countless days rating research plots for 
    disease severity. The way we evaluate student's work is not very different 
    from rating a research plot. This does not feel right. It does not address 
    the continuum of learning. Rubrics at least give the students some clue of 
    the process of evaluation and that is more fair. 
    
    
    
    I'll express my opinion and argue them any day...just ask my husband.  
    Thank you again.  
    MB  | 
   
  
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